Rachel Maddow, longtime MSNBC anchor, joins Jon to to talk about her new podcast “Ultra,” which details an allbutforgotten ringwing plot to overthrow American democracy — not in 2022, but in 1940. Though the context has changed, Rachel argues that the tactics and strategies to defeat fascism have not and that we can learn from those who defeated the threat the first time.

CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
2:07 Rachel Maddow's New Podcast "Ultra"
14:45 Ad Break
18:27 The Timeless Appeal of Fascism and Having to Argue the Opposite
35:23 Ad Break
38:58 How Did We Stop Fascism in the 1940s? How Can We Do it Now?

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